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本文主要是吹水历代版本中凯恩和色孽的战斗描写之类的,资源来源于各个版本的codex,至于白矮人上凯恩与色孽争斗导致凯恩破碎的故事版本,我没找到具体出处,所以本帖当前不讨论,如果有人知道到底是哪一期,希望能告诉我。


IP属地:河南1楼2024-02-23 15:02回复
    首先是1994年的2E灵族codex

    Two Eldar gods of old survived the Fall.
    两位古老的灵族神在大陨落中幸存了下来。
    One was Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Bloody-handed God, the most powerful of all the Eldar deities.
    一位是卡拉·门沙·凯因,血手之神,所有灵族神中最强大的。
    The Eldar maintain that Slaanesh and the Bloody-handed God fought a titanic battle in the warp.
    灵族认为色孽和血手之神在亚空间进行了一场规模宏大的战斗。
    Slaanesh proved the stronger but was not powerful enough to destroy the Eldar god completely.
    色孽证明了自己更强大,但还不足以完全摧毁灵族之神(凯恩)。
    Instead Kaela Mensha Khaine was broken into many fragments and driven out of the warp.
    随后,凯拉·门沙·凯因被打得粉碎,被扔出了亚空间。
    Each fragment supposedly came to rest within the wraithbone core of a Craftworld, where it took root and grew into an Avatar of the Bloody-handed God.
    据说每个碎片都停留在方舟世界的幽灵骨核心中,在那里扎根并成长为血手之神的化身。


    IP属地:河南4楼2024-02-23 15:12
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      接下来是1999年的3E灵族codex

      It is said that when the Great Enemy was born into the universe,the war god kaela mensha khaine fought her.
      据说,当大敌诞生于宇宙时,战神卡拉·门沙·凯恩与她作战。
      khaine was defeated,but rather than being destroyed,his substance was scattered across the material realm.
      凯恩被击败了,但他的存在并没有被摧毁,而是散落在物质领域。


      IP属地:河南5楼2024-02-23 15:21
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        2006年的灵族4Ecodex

        Two Eldar gods of old survived the Fall.
        两位古老的灵族神在大陨落中幸存下来。
        The Laughing God Cegorach,worshipped by the enigmatic and lethal Harlequins,survived through guile alone.
        笑神切戈拉赫受到神秘而致命的丑角的崇拜,仅靠诡计得以幸存。
        The other survived through might;
        另一个则凭借力量幸存下来;
        he that is known as kaela Mensha Kaine,the strongest and most warlike of all the Eldar deities.
        他被称为凯拉·门沙·凯恩 ,是所有灵族神祇中最强大、最好战的。
        Tradition has it that Slaanesh and the Bloddy-handed God fought a titanic battle in the Warp.
        传说色孽和血手之神在亚空间进行了一场规模宏大的战斗。
        Despite khaine's divine might and mastery of war,slaanesh,glutted upon the power of the gods,eventually proved the stronger.
        尽管凯恩拥有绝顶的力量和对战斗的精通,但色孽汲取了灵族众神的力量,最终证明了自己更强大。
        Exhausted from the struggle,the Great Enemy was not powerful enough to destroy the Eldar god completely.
        由于战斗而疲惫不堪,大敌的力量不足以彻底摧毁灵族之神。


        IP属地:河南6楼2024-02-23 15:33
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          2013年的灵族6E codex



          IP属地:河南7楼2024-02-23 15:36
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            2015年的灵族7E codex

            Legends tell that at the moment of the Fall, the Eldar gods were slain, devoured by Slaanesh along with the souls of their mortal children. The war god Khaine was torn apart and scattered across the galaxy, the fragmented shards of his spirit coming to rest deep within the hearts of the craftworlds.
            传说在大陨落的那一刻,灵族诸神连同他们后代的灵魂被色孽杀死、吞噬。 战神凯恩被撕裂并散落在银河系各处,他的灵魂碎片深深地埋藏在方舟世界的中心。


            IP属地:河南9楼2024-02-23 15:43
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              2017年的灵族8E codex

              THE MURDERED PANTHEON
              被谋杀的万神殿
              At the moment of its birth, Slaanesh decimated the Aeldari pantheon and stole the gods’ power, with only two of their number surviving the Fall.
              在它诞生的那一刻,色孽就摧毁了灵族万神殿并窃取了众神的力量,只有两位灵族神在大陨落中幸存下来。
              The Laughing God Cegorach escaped through guile, while Kaela Mensha Khaine, the strongest and most warlike of the Aeldari deities, endured through might.
              笑神切戈拉赫通过诡计逃脱,而艾达灵族神祇中最强大、最好战的凯拉·门沙·凯恩则凭借力量幸存下来。
              Slaanesh and the Bloody-Handed God fought a titanic battle in the warp, and despite Khaine’s mastery of war, Slaanesh, glutted with stolen power, eventually proved the stronger.
              色孽和血手之神在亚空间进行了一场规模宏大的战斗,尽管凯恩精通战斗,但色孽凭借偷来的力量,最终证明了自己更强大。
              Exhausted from the struggle,Slaanesh could not destroy the Aeldari god completely. Instead, Khaine was rent into fragments.
              由于战斗而精疲力竭,色孽无法彻底摧毁艾达灵族之神。 随后,凯恩被撕成了碎片。


              IP属地:河南10楼2024-02-23 15:49
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                凯恩因为k和s斗争而成为碎片在战锤维基上有写,不过不知道真假


                IP属地:陕西来自Android客户端11楼2024-02-23 15:57
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                  2022年的灵族9Ecodex

                  THE MURDERED PANTHEON
                  被谋杀的万神殿
                  Aelari mythology tells that ata the moment of its birth,Slaanesh slaughtered almost all of the Aeldari pantheon and stole the gods'power,with only two of their number surviving the Fall.
                  灵族神话讲述,在它诞生的那一刻,色孽屠杀了几乎所有的灵族万神殿并窃取了众神的力量,只有两位灵族神在大陨落中幸存下来。
                  Kaela Mensha Khaine,the strongest and most warlike of the Aeldari deities,endured through might.
                  凯拉·曼沙·凯恩,艾达灵族神祇中最强大、最好战的,通过力量幸存下来。
                  Slaanesh and the Bloody-Handed God fought a titanic battle in the warp,and despite Khaine's mastery of war,Slaanesh,glutted with stolen power,eventually proved the stronger.
                  色孽和血手之神在亚空间进行了一场规模宏大的战斗,尽管凯恩精通战斗,但色孽却凭借偷来的力量,最终证明了自己更强大。
                  Exhausted from the struggle,Slaanesh could not destroy the Aeldari god completely.
                  由于挣扎而精疲力竭,色孽无法彻底摧毁艾达灵族之神。
                  instead,Khaine was rent into fragments.
                  随后,凯恩被撕成了碎片。


                  IP属地:河南12楼2024-02-23 16:01
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                    色孽恐虐抢夺并打碎凯恩的出处是90年7月的白矮人,第26页
                    经常见人说是凯恩既是色孽的一部分也是恐虐的一部分,出处可能也是这里


                    IP属地:江苏13楼2024-02-23 16:02
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                      经过大佬提点,找到了恐虐与色孽争夺凯恩的出处,白矮人127期,1990年

                      AVATARS
                      神使(化身)
                      When Kaela Mensha Khaine,the Blood Handed God of the Eldar,fought with Skaanesh the Lord of Pleasure,he was quickly overwhelmed and his energy captured by the newborn God.
                      当灵族的血手之神凯拉·门沙·凯恩与欢乐之王斯卡尼什战斗时,他很快被击败,他的力量被新生的神夺走了。
                      For the Bloody Handed God was as much a part of Slaanesh as of Khorne-being a product of that part of the Eldar nature which finds gratification in murder and pleasure in bloody violence.
                      因为血手之神既是色孽的一部分,也是恐虐的一部分——是灵族本性中的一部分的产物,这种本性在谋杀中寻找满足,在血腥暴力中寻找快乐。
                      Khorne the blood god,the patron of war,murder and battle,roared with rage to discover one of his own taken from him in this way.
                      血神恐虐,是战争、谋杀和战斗的守护神,当发现自己的一部分就这样被夺走了,他愤怒地咆哮起来。
                      Then Khorne and Slaanesh clashed headlong,the blood God fighting to recover the portion of his power that had been robbed from him,Slaanesh driven by his uncontrollable hunger to consume everything in his path.
                      随后恐虐和色孽正面交锋,血神奋力夺回被从他身上夺走的那部分力量,色孽在无法控制的饥饿驱使下吞噬了他经过的一切。
                      The Bloody Handed God of the Eldar was tossed this way and that,at first grasped by Slaanesh,then tugged back into the compass of Khorne.
                      灵族的血手之神被扔来扔去,首先被色孽抓住,然后又被拉回到恐虐的手中。
                      Eventually the rage of the Blood God and the passion of the Lord of Pleasure were exhausted,and the boundaries between them were established.
                      最终,血神的愤怒与欢愉之主的激情耗尽,两者之间的界限也就此划定了。
                      Like a leaf in the eye of a hurricane,Kaela Mensha Khaine fell among the calm,down through the Realm of Chaos and into the material universe.
                      就像飓风眼中的一片树叶一样,凯拉·门沙·凯恩坠归于平静之中,穿过混沌领域,进入物质宇宙。
                      As he entered the material universe he divided into many shards of energy,scattering his power so that neither Khorne or slaanesh could ever find him again.
                      当他进入物质宇宙时,他分裂成许多能量碎片,分散了他的力量,这样恐虐或色孽就再也找不到他了。
                      Each shard entered the body of an Eldar,filling the body with his own mind,possessing it,so that it bacame a virtually indestructible blood-lusting murderer-the material manifestation of the Bloody Handed God.
                      每一块碎片都进入了灵族的身体,将灵族的本性充满了灵族的身体,占据了灵族的灵魂,使其变成了几乎坚不可摧的嗜血杀手——血手之神的物质显现。
                      These are the avatars of the bloody handed god.
                      他们是血手之神的化身。


                      IP属地:河南14楼2024-02-23 16:51
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                        我一直很好奇为什么阿苏焉直接被s吞噬了,连挣扎的描写都没有……


                        IP属地:广东来自Android客户端15楼2024-02-23 16:53
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                          而且有人说什么帝皇在天堂之战就出现了……


                          IP属地:广东来自Android客户端16楼2024-02-23 16:55
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                            灵族生命女神究竟是被纳垢吃了还是真被纳垢喂汤养着。现在同人二创普遍默认女神还活着。但是GW设定里一直说只活下来两个(凯恩甚至都不好说算不算活着),对生命女神很少提及


                            IP属地:河南来自Android客户端17楼2024-02-23 17:06
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                              我以为是滚床单的小说 才点进来的……


                              IP属地:四川18楼2024-02-23 17:09
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